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HOW MUCH CAN WE AS A NATION TURN OVER TO MEXICO?
Contrary To Amnesty Supporters, Illegal Aliens Drain Social Security
By REP. LAMAR SMITH Posted 05/12/2010 06:06 PM ET
A recent Rasmussen Reports survey revealed that voters remain concerned about Social Security and whether the system can deliver what the government has promised. According to the survey, 58% of U.S. voters lack confidence that the Social Security system will pay them their future benefits.
Advocates for amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants like to claim that amnesty will "save" Social Security. They also claim that dramatically increased immigration levels will safeguard our retirements and those of our children because more people will pay into the system.
Unfortunately, the opposite is true.
During the last Congress, I asked the Social Security Administration (SSA) to calculate the value in today's dollars of the payroll taxes paid by typical illegal immigrants and their employers as well as the value of their retirement benefits should they receive amnesty. Not only the typical illegal immigrant but any low-skilled immigrant will affect the solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund.
Illegal immigrant workers, often with false identities, can't avoid paying into Social Security but are not eligible to receive retirement benefits for their illegal work. But if they receive amnesty, they can qualify for Social Security retirement benefits based on their earlier illegal work. And those benefits will amount to much more than what they paid into Social Security!
A single male illegal immigrant who works for very low wages and is now 25 years old will receive (at today's value) $15,596 more in Social Security retirement benefits. A similar female illegal immigrant will receive $20,936 more in retirement benefits.
A married illegal immigrant couple in which one spouse works can expect $52,460 more. And a married illegal immigrant couple where both spouses work will receive $39,037 more.
What would be the fiscal impact on the Trust Fund of the legalization of 5 million illegal immigrant couples who both work for very low wages? A staggering $500 billion! That would jeopardize the solvency of Social Security and threaten everyone's retirement.
Of course, Social Security is not the only way in which illegal immigrants negatively impact American taxpayers.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform has estimated that the total cost of K-12 education for illegal immigrant minors and the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants is nearly $29 billion a year.
And there are health care costs. If illegal immigrants are covered in the health care bill (there is not a strong verification mechanism to ensure they won't get benefits), it will increase the bill's costs by as much as $30 billion
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BUT WHAT IF THE NUMBER OF ILLEGALS IS NOT 12 MILLION? HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT Rep. SMITH’S CALCULATIONS?
WASHINGTON HAS USED THE SAME LA RAZA PROPAGANDA THAT THERE’S ONLY 12 MILLION ILLEGALS FOR YEARS, EVEN AS MILLIONS HAVE WALKED OVER OUR BORDERS AND INTO OUR JOBS.
DO THE MATH ON 38 MILLION! WE KNOW THAT MEXICANS ARE HERE TO LOOT, NOT TO WAVE THE AMERICAN FLAG. LA RAZA’S PUSH IS A BORDERLESS MEXICAN OCCUPATION WHEREBY ILLEGALS LOOT HERE, BIRTH HERE FOR GRINGO WELFARE, VOTE FOR HISPANDERING POLS, TAKE OUR JOBS WITH STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, THEN HEAD BACK TO MEXICO.
WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN 38 MILLION MEXICANS GET OBAMA’S AMNESTY AND THEN FINALLY HEAD BACK TO MEXICO TO DRAW THEIR CHECKS? THAT, AFTER WE’VE HANDED THEM OUR JOBS, PAID FOR THE BIRTHING OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS, BILLIONS IN WELFARE AND PRISON COSTS???
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“Walsh stated. Walsh said his analysis indicating there are 38 million illegal aliens in the U.S. was calculated using the conservative estimate of three illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for each one apprehended.”
Illegal alien population may be as high as 38 million
Study: Illegal alien population may be as high as 38 million A new report finds the Homeland Security Department "grossly underestimates" the number of illegal aliens living in the U.S. Homeland Security's Office of Immigration Studies released a report August 31 that estimates the number of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. is between 8 and 12 million. But the group Californians for Population Stabilization, or CAPS, has unveiled a report estimating the illegal population is actually between 20 and 38 million. Four experts, all of whom contributed to the study prepared by CAPS, discussed their findings at a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington Wednesday. James Walsh, a former associate general counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, said he is "appalled" that the Bush administration, lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and every Democratic presidential candidate, with the exception of Joe Biden, have no problem with sanctuary cities for illegal aliens. "Ladies and gentlemen, the sanctuary cities and the people that support them are violating the laws of the United States of America. They're violating 8 USC section 1324 and 1325, which is a felony -- [it's] a felony to aid, support, transport, shield, harbor illegal aliens," Walsh stated. Walsh said his analysis indicating there are 38 million illegal aliens in the U.S. was calculated using the conservative estimate of three illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for each one apprehended. According to Walsh, "In the United States, immigration is in a state of anarchy -- not chaos, but anarchy."
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Illegal Aliens and Social Security Numbers
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Reply to: comm-585103570@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-24, 9:34AM PST
I totally agree with Anthony Ramirez, illegal aliens cause problems for others when they steal others social security number.
As I worked for the Food Stamp program two years ago, I was amazed at the number of illegal aliens who came to apply for Food Stamps and had Social Security numbers.
One woman stood out, because she wound up having three social security numbers. We would not have questioned her at all, but the first number she gave was a real social security that belonged to a 16 year old disabled kid on SSI. She was 42, with 6 kids. When I questioned her about it, she admitted she had bought it to try and find work.
Eventually the kid and his family would be in trouble because the Feds would start deducting the money from his SSI check and he might loss his benefits altogether or have to pay it back. When brought to her attention, she did not care.
The second one was a made up one on a card that I turned every which way and looked just as good as the first one. The 3rd was an ITIN number that illegal aliens use to do their taxes or get tax money back. I learned they were using the ITIN numbers to open bank accounts and buy houses.
It worried me back then, because I wondered where were the people who were supposed to be the checks and balances in the mortgage industry. How could they sell homes to 5 to 6 families with no real ID, no pay stubs, no receipts, an ITIN number and their signature? Plus they had 9 to 10 renters.
The budgets were next to impossible to figure out, so a lot of the eligibility techs would put down that the Illegals were renters. In that way all they needed was a signed piece of paper saying they paid rent and how much they paid. As we now know, lack of ethics and morals has destroyed the Sub prime mortgage industry.
At the moment more then 50 percent of all welfare and food stamp benefits in Orange County are going directly to children of illegal aliens. The California Legislators have enacted laws to enslave Californians into taking care of illegal aliens and their needs while we make Americans and Legal Immigrants go to work under the CAL-WORKS program.
Illegal aliens don’t have to go to work, because it is against Federal Law for illegal aliens to work. So just like my mother-in-law received welfare for close to 25 years, Illegal Alien mothers who sometimes have children 10 to 15 years apart, can and do stay on welfare, food stamps and other social programs 25 to 30 years living off Californians. In my opinion this is a huge social cost.
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Social Security for Illegal Aliens? THEY ALREADY GET IT!
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-01-04, 2:29PM PST
When I lived in El Centro, CA. I would see MEXICANS DRIVING CARS & TRUCKS with BAJA CALIFORNIA TAGS (That;a MEXICO) Drive up to the SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE, park about 1/2 a block away, THEN WALK INTO THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE to PICK UP THEIR SSI & SocSec CHECKS, then DRIVE OFF to the CHECK CASHING PLACE & EXCHANGE it for PESOS!
(NOTE: I AM A SENIOR CITIZEN & WORKED 65 YEARS to OBTAIN MY Social Security...it's LESS than $900.00 a month! THESE CROOKS get ALMOST $2,000.00 A MONTH!)
IT'S WAY TOO LATE, STUPID GRINGOS! WE ARE DONE FOR!
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Social Security Totalization
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-01-04, 5:23PM PST
Totalization is a Bad Idea
January 8, 2007
Through a Freedom of Information Act Request, a private group recently obtained a copy of a 2004 agreement between the United States and Mexico that will allow hundreds of thousands of noncitizens to receive Social Security benefits.
The agreement creates a so-called “totalization” plan between the two nations. Totalization is nothing new. The first such agreements were made in the late 1970s between the United States and several foreign governments simply to make sure American citizens living abroad did not suffer from double taxation with respect to Social Security taxes. From there, however, totalization agreements have become vehicles for noncitizens to become eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits. The new agreement with Mexico would make an estimated 160,000 Mexican citizens eligible in the next five years.
Ultimately, the bill for Mexicans working legally in the U.S. could reach one billion dollars by 2050, when the estimated Mexican beneficiaries could reach 300,000. Worse still, an estimated five million Mexicans working illegally in the United States could be eligible for the program. According to press reports, a provision in the Social Security Act allows illegal immigrants to receive Social Security benefits if the United States and another country have a totalization agreement.
It’s important to note that Congress, like the American people, heretofore had not seen this totalization agreement. This decision to expand our single largest entitlement program was made with no input from the legislative branch of government. If the president signs it, Congress will have to affirmatively act to override him and in essence veto the agreement. This is the opposite of how it’s supposed to work.
There are obvious reasons to oppose a Social Security totalization agreement with Mexico. First, our Social Security system already faces trillions of dollars in future shortages as the Baby Boomer generation retires and fewer young workers pay into the system. Adding hundreds of thousand of noncitizens to the Social Security rolls can only hasten the day of reckoning.
Second, Social Security never was intended to serve as an individual foreign aid program for noncitizens abroad. Remember, there is no real Social Security trust fund, and the distinction between income taxes and payroll taxes is entirely artificial. The Social Security contributions made by noncitizens are spent immediately as general revenues. So while it’s unfortunate that some are forced to pay into a system from which they might never receive a penny, the same can be said of younger American citizens. If noncitizens wish to obtain Social Security benefits, or any other U.S. government entitlements, they should seek to become U.S. citizens.
Also, totalization agreements allow noncitizens to quality for Social Security benefits by working in the U.S. as little as 18 months. A Mexican citizen could work here for only a year and a half, return to Mexico, and retire with full U.S. benefits. This is grossly unfair to Americans who must work more quarters even to qualify for benefits-- especially younger people who face the possibility that there may be nothing left when it is their turn to retire.
Those in favor of sending U.S. Social Security benefits to Mexican citizens argue that crushing poverty in Mexico demands some form of U.S. assistance to that country's aged. While poverty in Mexico truly is deplorable and saddening, the fact remains that Congress has no constitutional authority to enact what is essentially another foreign aid program.
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