STOPAMNESTY wrote:
Actually we've tried your "plan" of open borders, NO LEGAL NEED APPLY!
Visit Silicon Valley, CA, where boat loads of chinese and Indians arrive every month!
all tech-workers??
Stop at a gas station and it will be an indian taking your money!
it's all about CHEAP labor, nothing else!
Sure, americans don't bother with engineering and sciences in college as there will be NO JOBS for them!
ALL GO TO CHINESE AND INDIANS!!!
AND BORDER SECURITY IS TOUGH?
WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON?
NOT TOUGH FOR THE ILLEGALS THAT CROSS IT DAILY FOR OUR JOBS!
There are only 8 states with a population greater than Los Angeles County, where 47% of those with a job are ILLEGALS USING STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS!
same county pays out $600 in welfare to illegals alone!
"The amnesty alone will be the largest expansion of the welfare system in the last 25 years," says Robert Rector, a senior analyst at the Heritage Foundation, and a witness at a House Judiciary Committee field hearing in San Diego Aug. 2. "Welfare costs will begin to hit their peak around 2021, because there are delays in citizenship. The very narrow time horizon [the CBO is] using is misleading," he adds. "If even a small fraction of those who come into the country stay and get on Medicaid, you're looking at costs of $20 billion or $30 billion per year." (SOCIAL SERVICES TO ILLEGALS IN CALIFORNIA ALONE ARE NOT UP TO $20 BILLION PER YEAR. WELFARE FOR ILLEGALS IN NEVADA, NOW 25% ILLEGAL, IS SOARING!)
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FAIRUS.org
U.S. Taxpayers Spend $113 Billion Annually on Illegal Aliens
America has never been able to afford the costs of illegal immigration. With rising unemployment and skyrocketing deficits, federal and state lawmakers are now facing the results of failed policies. A new, groundbreaking report from FAIR, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, takes a comprehensive look at the estimated fiscal costs resulting from federal, state and local expenditures on illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children.
Expanding upon the series of state studies done in the past, FAIR has estimated the annual cost of illegal immigration to be $113 billion, with much of the cost — $84.2 billon — coming at the state and local level.
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THE ENTIRE REASON THE BORDERS ARE LEFT OPEN IS TO CUT WAGES!
“We could cut unemployment in half simply by reclaiming the jobs taken by illegal workers,” said Representative Lamar Smith of Texas, co-chairman of the Reclaim American Jobs Caucus. “President Obama is on the wrong side of the American people on immigration. The president should support policies that help citizens and legal immigrants find the jobs they need and deserve rather than fail to enforce immigration laws.”
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9/24/2010 3:13:31 PM
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PEdwardMurray wrote:
The great problem is that Mr Klein HAS A JOB and he would feel very differently if he did not.
9/24/2010 3:03:06 PM
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pobox10275 wrote:
With about 20 million US CITIZENS already unemployed or underemployed, the LAST thing we need is to import more cheap labor from overseas to undercut citizens' ability to land jobs at livable wages.
The Dems are suicidal in their pursuit of amnesty for illegals, and THAT was the nail in the coffin of their slimy attempt to attach the DREAM Act to the Defense Bill.
The only immigration reform that the majority of American citizens want is reform that finally funds border enforcement, stepped-up and sped-up deportations, prosecution of employers of illegals. THAT is all the reform that is needed for the current immigration laws already on the books.
There already is a "pathway to citizenship." You start from your country of origin, you then apply to migrate LEGALLY into the USA. Then, you wait while you are checked out, verified, and if and only if approved, THEN you may enter the USA and become a citizen. THAT is the pathway to citizenship. If you are in the USA illegally, go back home to your country of origin, get back to the end of the line. MAYBE then you can earn the right to be a citizen.
Enforce CURRENT immigration laws already on the books. Arrest and deport every illegal immigrant. Deny anchor babies the right to citizenship if both parents are not legal citizens. 12-20 million people living in the USA illegally are not immigrants, they are invaders.
Secure the border, and you will stop the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants. The Great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall, and the current security walls in Israel/West Bank all PROVE that if you are serious about securing your borders, it CAN BE DONE. To those who say "you can't expect all 12-20 million illegal immigrants to leave:" YES WE CAN, if we want to. It's been done before, Mexican Repatriation it was called, back then. See: Wikipedia entry for Mexican Repatriation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
There is an endless pot of taxpayer money to throw at Iraq, Afganistan, and policing the oil industries' (and China's export cargo ships') safe passage. I say it's time to use our tax dollars to DEFEND the USA. It is time for us to use the National Guard literally, to guard the nation's borders.
Please spare me the sob story of breaking up families; if parents are here illegally, they can take their children back home to the parent's country of origin when deported. If you wed an illegal immigrant, you most likely knew that going into it, and if not, then your marriage is based on lies and deception. No family need be broken up; keep the family together by having them ALL go at once when the illegal is deported.
Mark Pepp
Chicago IL
9/24/2010 3:00:08 PM
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jeffreed wrote:
To the best of my knowledge Ezra Klein is not an economist, but he is very good at picking and choosing things that support his views whatever they are. The recent particle by Professor Peri is the second time he waded into the immigration debate. (For the record, he is a student of David Card of Cal-Berkley who is one the more interesting writers on immigration matters.) Economists have not had time to work through Peri's latest publication, but they have had time to look at his earlier piece. Professors, Borjas, Katz, and Grogger showed that Peri played fast and loose to get his desired result. Simply put, until economists have had time to work through Peri's latest piece, it is a big maybe and nothing more. Several years ago before congress Professor Richard Freeman of Harvard was asked it illegal immigration hurt ordinary hard working African-Americans, he simply said yes. Finally, in the high tech area of this economy anyone who does not believe that firms, mainly Indian but not always, have played games with visas and refused to hire qualified American citizens is living in an Alice and wonderland world. He need a rational discussion of immigration not another advocacy piece that is full of more holes than Swiss cheese.
9/24/2010 2:43:47 PM
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janet8 wrote:
Ezra, Do you mean bring in professionals such as those doctors from the Mid-East who were working in Florida, a couple of years ago?
The same ones who were arrested for plotting to commit terrorist attacks here in the US?
Or the Chinese scientists who come over here and are subsequently arrested for technological espionage in California?
And oh, don't forget giving the low-income illegal aliens amnesty. You know, the ones who take the jobs of unemployed Americans, exhaust our social systems and send the money back to Mexico.
Over $80 billion, repeat, $80 billion annually is sent home to Mexico by cash transfers by illegal aliens.
No wonder Mexican President Filipe Calderone is setting up offices in the US giving ID's to illegal aliens.
Mexico's reaping the rewards of the US "gravy train."
Unbelievable!
9/24/2010 2:29:47 PM
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JenDray wrote:
Don't forget that for many who bash educated immigrants, it's not about economic competitiveness.
I'm sure most of the Washington-area whining about H1B visas etc comes from people in the "defense" industry, which is not a real business at all, but a White conservative welfare scam.
They don't want to share their handouts with foreigners. It doesn't matter if the foreigners bring extra productivity because companies like Lockheed don't really produce any value anyway. Their sales depend not on the quality of their products, but on their lobbying power and their executives' ability to occupy Pentagon policy and procurement posts. And even skilled immigrants make poor Washington lobbyists.
9/24/2010 2:17:00 PM
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battleground51 wrote:
America has perfectly good immigration laws. The real problem is with the outlaw "immigrants". They simply hate American law and demand a free ride.
AMNESTY is a loser of an idea. It was tried in the 1980s and was a total failure. It made the problem of illegal crossings a hundred times worse.
Never again!
9/24/2010 2:08:18 PM
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usmc1969 wrote:
First off who really knows if there are 12, 20 or even 30 million illegals here. That fact alone should send shivers down the spine. How many terrorists are crossing the border as well. The MAJOR point that not one democrat will ever ever talk about is "chain immigration" Hillary prefers to call it "family reunification" both mean the same! Simply put for each illegal you legalize that one illegal can bring in their immediate family. Think not! Google it and while you got Google up type in "Green Card Benefits" Note the facts! The green card is just as good as citizenship except for the right to vote and as we have seen from past elections illegals are voting.
What all this means is that the labor market will be flooded with not just a few million but tens of millions. Labor cost will decrease as union membership increases. 95% of the illegals here now are living at or near proverty levels because they send their earning back to Mexico to the tune of $21,000,000,000 a year. They can do this because we provide the rest for free! Education, health and social services. Do you think any agency can ask for citizenship papers. If they can then why can't Arizona? Double standards all over the map. Enforce and deport NOT catch and release!
9/24/2010 1:58:46 PM
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Charley_XF wrote:
Klein and his disgraceful ilk want illegal immigrants to be granted amnesty for only one reason - he expects them to vote democrat. End of discussion.
He looks around at the circus sideshow, cartoon character constituency that is the democrat party and knows it is not enough. Add a few more million people, who we would never allow to even enter his house, into the fold and it just might be enough to keep the evil, white, male Christians in the republican party to get elected.
Right Ezra?
9/24/2010 1:52:46 PM
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Airborne82 wrote:
Since the early nineties Japan was worried about the rise of South Korea as more people got bachelors, Masters and PHD degrees and became successful entrepreneurs. Now that Hyundai, Kia and other SK companies have arrived, and continue to drive the production of low cost, high quality vehicles that was once the exclusive territory of Japan (a mantle which they took from the USA) now Japan wants to participate in the Brain Drain from India, Asia and the Middle East that was also the exclusive territory of the USA with our high quality of life standards.
Japan is a pretty nice place to live with Onsens (hot spring bathhouses) everywhere, Kirin, Asahi and Sapporo world class beers; and great Mountains, Lakes and culture and only half the plane ride for them. With America not giving enough Visa's to support either the low wage workers needed and the PhD’s needed, America makes it's own destiny. Comprehensive Immigration reform is long overdue in America.
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Then go live there no one is stopping you.
9/24/2010 1:49:02 PM
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SISSD1 wrote:
465,000 americans out of work and you want to bring more immigrants into the country. i wonder if mr. klein would mind if an illegal immigrant could and would take his job.or is just talking about illegals that work on farms.
9/24/2010 1:35:26 PM
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Airborne82 wrote:
Since the early nineties Japan was worried about the rise of South Korea as more people got bachelors, Masters and PHD degrees and became successful entrepreneurs. Now that Hyundai, Kia and other SK companies have arrived, and continue to drive the production of low cost, high quality vehicles that was once the exclusive territory of Japan (a mantle which they took from the USA) now Japan wants to participate in the Brain Drain from India, Asia and the Middle East that was also the exclusive territory of the USA with our high quality of life standards.
Japan is a pretty nice place to live with Onsens (hot spring bathhouses) everywhere, Kirin, Asahi and Sapporo world class beers; and great Mountains, Lakes and culture and only half the plane ride for them. With America not giving enough Visa's to support either the low wage workers needed and the PhD’s needed, America makes it's own destiny. Comprehensive Immigration reform is long overdue in America.
9/24/2010 1:32:20 PM
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randykree wrote:
Many American Families have lost loved ones protecting our Countries freedom in a war. Americans have also struggled through the hard times when this Country was nothing. The legal citizens of America have made this Country what it is today and the cost for that didn't come free. People who come here illegally and expect to get all of the benefits that Americans today have paid for throught the years, think that America should accept them and give them the rights and acess to our civil programs that we have made throught the years to help our fellow Americans. Stop, this Country had to pay dearly for us legal Amerians to have it good in our Country. Nobody deserves to come here and expect to have the same benefits that the Famlies of Americe have fought for and now have. Illeagl immigrants talk like they belong here but these people have not paid the dews that most American Families have paid to be here. America is the land of the free and home of the brave for everyone that has given to this Country to be this way. Nothing should be free for any illehal immigrant that comes here illegally and without ant respect for what Amerians have given up to be like this. Nothing here is free unless you have paid your dews here so just remember that!
9/24/2010 1:29:35 PM
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Airborne82 wrote:
A guest workers program is the most important immigration legislation that America needs right now. American agriculture industries need affordable workers now to do the jobs that most Americans are unwilling to do, especially during harvest season. Illegal immigrants are not the ones taking high tech or even oil industry USA jobs but they are taking the chicken plucking, ditch digging, cotton picking and toilet cleaning jobs.
A Guest Worker "Border Protection Tax" could help pay for Border expenses. Documented Guest workers can help companies with low pay for the hard work of plucking chickens, harvesting cotton and crops, putting up drywall and digging ditches, and basically doing the hard jobs for less that Americans are not willing to do for themselves because they have better Jobs and Opportunities. Guest workers making $7~$10/hour with little to no benefits, and paying $2/hour of that for a "border protection tax" isn’t a great deal for them, but likely better than whatever jobs are available for them elsewhere and it helps American industries that are unable to find American workers to do the job.
5 Myths about immigration
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001106.html
“foreign-born workers who fill lower-paying jobs are typically first-hired/first-fired employees, allowing employers to expand and contract their workforces rapidly. As a result, immigrants experience higher employment than natives during booms -- but they suffer higher job losses during downturns, including the current one.” “…immigration also stimulates growth by creating new consumers, entrepreneurs and investors….U.S. workers without a high school degree experience wage declines as a result of competition from immigrants, but these losses are modest, at just over 1 percent. Economists also estimate that for each job an immigrant fills, an additional job is created.”
Beefing up border protection to the tune of 10,000 more national guards and law enforcement personal; paid for out of the guest worker program is a win-win for America and the workers and allows registration and documentation of immigrant workers that can provide a 5~10 year path towards a full-time work Visa for those that stick with the program.
9/24/2010 1:24:56 PM
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cg24820001 wrote:
This is pure hooey. How about the mega payoff that comes from investing in american children's education and vocational training so there will be no need to import workers.
9/24/2010 1:24:47 PM
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usmc1969 wrote:
Funny how people scream about job out-sourceing when we as a nation issue 1.1 million work visas annually. Insane! There is a huge difference between allowing an India Doctor into this nation to set up shop vs a poor proverty riden immigrant who we have to support. Huge difference. That is why our current laws of allowing a million plus into this country already works! You can not mix legal with illegal in the same sentence. Bug difference. The VA hospitals are full of foreign doctors. WHY! Why do we need more scientists and educated workers! That should be the story line. We have dumbed our kids down in our class room! One reason is the vast amount of illegals in those class rooms that fall behind and pull the rest down with them. Rid this nation of illegals and allow educated ones to apply and behold a great nation.
9/24/2010 1:18:17 PM
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battleground51 wrote:
America has perfectly good immigration laws. We do not need "comprhensive Immigration reform" aka AMNESTY.
We did that in the 1980s and it was a total failure.
Let's not create more failure.
9/24/2010 1:17:47 PM
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Cherisen wrote:
I wonder if its wanna be angels like you who have no grasp on what common people in this country go through in life that constantly try to push this Ponzi Scheme of illegal immigration down our throats because it doesn't effect your life directly in any way, or really The New World order at work? First of all, this country should be looking out for it's own citizens in paramount then maybe help the less fortunate from other countries when we are doing ok. The fact that these are Mexican citizens and that Mexico is demanding anything from us is enough offense for me to send every one of them back home with their outlaw anchor babies. This country hasn't been dependant on industrial labor since the 1920's, and the children of these people aren't satisfied with picking fruit they want everything and they aren't in any capacity adept at having them. Get ready for more racism, more injustice, more crimes, more corruption, and more poverty in our own low skilled working class when you see Mexicans in any seat of authority in America, just like their home country, because they haven't been required to assimilate and come in such large numbers they don't have to. Mexico has insanely strict laws regarding immigration to where people who come into the country without the money to support themselves and family members or people who try to influence their laws and political system can be deported. while they send us all their rejects in order to funnel billions back into their rich mostly Spanish blooded aristocracy's hands. It's no great mystery as to why the richest man in the world is now a Mexican. We don't get the best of others countries anymore. We used to, but the very fabric of immigration has changed. I hear pro immigrant people preach diversity, but diversity for most Mexicans is Mexico, with most of them having a problem of even giving up their flag. It is too many of them, and they bring far more strife and division with them than any help. I support refugees from places like Cuba or Haiti, but Mexico isnt a communist regimne or dictatorship. It's a democracy just like ours and they have peoblems that they need to fix on their own, rather than for us to grin and eat **censored** for the sake of looking good to people. I'll tell you how to fix the ecomony. My Grandmother, She is far from being rich. Her whole life she has never been in debt. She has never had a credit card and doesn't owe anyone any money. She never lived outside her means. if people did that rather than blaming Bush or Obama and using the honorable position of President as a whipping boy or object of scorn, then progress might be made, but if everyone remains a greedy and whiny **censored** that only looks out for number one then everything is destined to collapse. Mexican's aren't magical little lighthearted people from The Shire. They are products of a grossly disfunctional society and bring with them all the seeds of strife that makes their world miserable, along with bed bugs, swine flu and those huge palmetto bugs.
9/24/2010 1:12:36 PM
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Sirius2 wrote:
The US is becoming,
and may already be,
a third-world nation.
We do not need anymore
immigrants - we need to close the doors and
get rid of the illegals.
9/24/2010 1:12:04 PM
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stopthemadness wrote:
Lord, Ezra, you really had to dig up an obscure economist out of U-cal Davis to support this fantasy of yours? Aren't we supposed to be training the kids ALREADY here to do those highly skilled jobs? If one of you elitists at the Post would do some articles on the LEGAL immigrants point of view-you know-the ones who had to pay thru the nose-and wait-anf then pay again-take their opinions on Amnesty, I'd BUY this rag again. I can see you and your dinner guests swirling wine in aglass as you pontificate on what good will would be for amnesty-while your nanny watches the kids and the landscaper has just finished your yard. Do you think they want to stay in that position forever Ezra? Go to Central America or Mexico with no money and see how much YOU are tolerated. Bring your family and insist on housing, medical, and a college education "in the name of HUMANITY"- you'll be laughed right back to the airport-but you'll have to have someone wire you some cash!
9/24/2010 12:48:48 PM
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