Sunday, June 5, 2011

Jewish-Owned CRAIGSLIST - A platform for HATING JEWS? CA LAWYER RICHARD HILARY GIBSON MAKES IT ONE

JEWISH-OWNED CRAIGSLIST – THE PLATFORM FOR ONE MAN’S HATRED OF JEWS…

THE COMMANDEERING OF CL BY CA LAWYER RICHARD HILARY GIBSON
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GIBSON’S POST ON CL POLITICS TELE-AVIV POLITICS AND RANTS FORUM.
THERE ARE PROBABLY NO OTHER POSTERS AS GIBSON, aka THE CL FLAGGER, knocks off ALL OTHER POSTERS.
GIBSON HAS LONG COMMANDEERED CL, WHICH IS HIS PLATFORM OR HATRED OF JEWS, AND BLACK AMERICANS.
WHILE CRAIGSLIST IS JEWISH-OWNED, AND GIBSON HAS POSTED ABOUT OWNER CRAIG NUMARK, CL HAS BEEN DISINCLINED TO CONTROL GIBSON’S RABID RACISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM.

POSTS ATTRIBUTED TO CA LAWYER RICHARD HILARY GIBSON OF WOODLAND HILLS/ LOS ANGELES:
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Obama,NY Times & Britains Arab Spring in Israel but now Iraq (USA)
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Date: 2011-05-31, 9:33AM IDT
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http://creoleneworleans.typepad.com/creole_folks/2011/05/alex-jones-talks-british-parasitesbp-secession-from-nazi-queen-ruler.html


Tom Friedman, a journalist at the NY Times, is actively encouraging terror attacks in Israel. Even with the Palestinians killing Jews, who are simply trying to pray in Israel, Hamas unable to gain any legitimacy, even among the most liberal of Jews because Netanyahu knows that all he has to do is ask Hamas to say that they will accept Israel as a Jewish State with the right to exist and already knowing that Hamas will never genuinely accept a Jewish State, the peace process is something that is not being taken seriously by the Arabs, we still see the NY Times Idiots of Propaganda calling for Arabs to storm Israel.




If any other publication would be calling for such a thing, like telling the P.A. and Hamas to rain down on Jerusalem like Tom Friedman of the NY Times has called for, they would quickly be labeled a terrorist propaganda tool, rightfully so, by the U.S. State Dept. but being that the American Nazi Left, can preach the sickest things with the most anti-life, racist, anti-jewish & darkest doctrines being followed by this aspect of American Society, the NY Times gets a pass. AGAIN!


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LOL A tea party in Israel? Are you retarded?
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Date: 2011-05-13, 2:33AM IDT
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The tea party is a political party based on AMERICA'S economic position.

Israel is a socialist economy, not capitalistic.

So what would the Tea Party of Israel protest for? To see where all their donations come from? We already know that... The American tax payer and dumbass Christian and Jewish donations.

America's tea party is about AMERICA'S economy. how would it work for a completely different monetary, banking and economic situation.
You must be a dumb American who knows nothing about Israeli politics or the economy
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Netanyau is a butt plug for Hamas,British and America (USA)
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Date: 2011-05-17, 1:32AM IDT
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http://creoleneworleans.typepad.com/creole_folks/2011/05/right-wing-religious-charlatans-use-israel-to-wage-wars-of-profit.html

The setting up of Israel to be an uneding villian to advance the wars of European and American bankers
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GIBSON FREQUENTLY POSTS SCRIPTURES AND IS CONFLICTED BY BEING A MARRIED CLOSETED HOMOSEXUAL.


The President of the Divided State of America (Romans 1:25-27)
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"Who changed the truth of God into a lie?" Romans 1:25

“I don’t think homosexuals are immoral any more than I think heterosexuals are immoral.” Barack Obama




Romans 1:25-27

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 1:25-27&version=KJV


Leviticus 18:22

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lev. 18:22&version=KJV



"Who changed the truth of God into a lie?" Romans 1:25

“I don’t think homosexuals are immoral any more than I think heterosexuals are immoral.” Barack Obama


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THE BELOW POST IS PROBABLY BY GIBSON FOR THE PURPOSES OF HARVESTING EMAILS TO HARASS POSTERS BY:


Tea Party anyone? (Israel)
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Date: 2011-05-10, 10:01PM IDT
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Is there a tea party in Israel? If not are you interested in starting one? Please contact.
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/california-lawyer-richard-hilary-gibson.html

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IT APPEARS THAT ALL THE POSTS ON CL TELE AVIV ARE BY RICHARD GIBSON. IF ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPTED TO POST, GIBSON WOULD HAVE DELETED THEIR POST.
GIBSON, A TECH LAWYER, SPENDS 20 HOURS A DAY HARASSING POSTERS ON CL, AND CONTROLS VIRTUALLY ALL CL POLITICS AND RANTS FORUMS AROUND THE COUNTRY.



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GIBSON’S POST ON CRAIGSLIST TELE-AVIV RANTS FORUM:


Re RE religious nuts (tel aviv)
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Date: 2011-06-02, 4:11AM IDT
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You poor dumb jew brainwashed IDIOT.People like you are pitiful but the jews laugh at IDIOTS like you just as much as I do.People like you are such a sad joke always coming back to the same 2 or 3 lines of BS when someone expresses the truth that you obviously can not handle.
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re:Re religious nuts - (tel aviv) (you didnt have to say it again)
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Date: 2011-06-01, 9:36PM IDT
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we heard you the first time the words come out quite clear, and we heard this;;;;"I'm a fucking redneck ignoramus that doesn't have a thought process. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go fuck my sister.:

Yep, thats what we heard.
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Re religious nuts (tel aviv)
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Date: 2011-06-01, 1:23AM IDT
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Like I said before you IDIOTS that come on here and think you speak for the "majority" of Americans need a reality check.MANY people in america are tired of America being basically a puppet show for jews.You fools in America that support jews and israel are to be laughed at.
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Fools (tel aviv)
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Date: 2011-05-30, 7:58AM IDT
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Many Americans are VERY tired of our tax dollars being funneled to your country.All Israel does is create problems in the middle east.We americans are also tired of your jew lobbies like aipac running washington dc and every crooked politician in it.
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Poor Dumb IDIOTS (tel aviv)
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Date: 2011-05-27, 6:07AM IDT
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Like I said you IDIOTS that support israel and jews are to be laughed at.
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Email of the Jew Hating Nut (Kook Head (beserker1"AT"live.com))
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Date: 2011-05-25, 4:41PM IDT
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This email address of the Jew hating anti Zionist who posts all of his propaganda on here. He has emailed me repeatedly for my posting pics of burned Korans and Korans I have defecated on.
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Replying to private message from Kook.
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Date: 2011-05-25, 9:22AM IDT
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As a matter of fact I'm not a Jew. I'm of Portuguese blood, a 5 year US military veteran (PhuCat VietNam), retired from Law Enforcement, and also from a second career as a heavy equipment operator. One thing I do have developed over the years is the ability to spot a nut case, and buddy, you are a nut case.
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The Koran
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Date: 2011-05-19, 8:25PM IDT
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If any bullshit religious text is worthy of a hot steamy wet dump it is the Koran!
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re;;;HAPPY 63rd ANNIVERSARY, ISRAEL (jewmerica sucks)
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actually real Americans know what YOU did on 9/11,,, USS Liberty & "federal reserve",, real Americans want you all dead.

people from NC aren't too bright.
www.911missinglinks.com
we know.
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I love you guys, and REAL Americans stand by you!


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GIBSON HAS LONG HARASSED AND THREATENED WRITER JUSTIN SWINGLE, WHO EXPOSED GIBSON’S RACIST RANTINGS.
HERE GIBSON THREATENS SWINGLE, CHILDERS AND CRAIGSLIST OWNER, CRAIGS NUMARK
BELOW WAS POSTED BY RICHARD HILARY GIBSON, WHO HARASSES PEOPLE OF JEWISH FAITH ALL OVER THE NATION:
GIBSON HAS TAKEN OVER CL POLITICS FORUMS BY USING A FLAGGING OVERRIDE TO DELETE ALL POSTS BUT HIS OWN.
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Justin Swingle and Richard Childers are Paraniod and Delusional ( No one cares about your drivel.)
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The CL community flags your spam and the posts are removed. Simple as that. No one likes either of you. There is no flagging overide machine Justin, and Craig Numark the Jew isn't deleting your posts Richard. It's not rocket science....
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GIBSON’S COMMANDEERING OF CL VIA HIS FLAGGING, HARASSING AND THREATENING OF POSTERS. IS IT ALL ABOUT BRINGING DOWN CL?
(GIBSON FREQUENTLY POSTED IN NYC HIDING BEHIND THE MONIKER “GERMAN KNIGHT”)

RE:Mr. Newmark... - (German Knight)
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Date: 2011-02-16, 10:01PM EST
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The cry of the desperate Jew.

The situation has grown beyond your control (And we all know how you love to control).

You and your ilk are finished.

The NUMBER ONE thing I learned by dealing with you "things" is this: YOU ARE THE ENEMY, AND YOU MUST BE DESTROYED.

That's it. That is all I have learned by knowing Jewish persons.

One of my good friends was Jewish.

He would boast and brag about how he could "control" his girlfriend (who was not a Jew) and also everyone else by the shit that strewn out of his mouth (he didn't say that last part).

"Jews are the enemy"

To me, that means simply educating others about you. Your history. What you are truly about.


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WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO CL, IS THE PRODUCT OF CL PERMITTING GIBSON TO COMMANDEER IT.

Furthermore, given his ethnic origins & what's become of this site, I can't imagine that Craig Newmark would do anything to impede an undertaking such as this.


re: re: Never underestimate the Jews (Manhattan)
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Date: 2011-02-17, 3:36PM EST
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Then by all means...report me to the police or the FBI.

Hurry up! Time's a wastin', Judeophobe.

LMFAO


re: Never underestimate the Jews (Manhattan)
Date: 2011-02-17, 12:46PM EST
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YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE THREATENING PEOPLE WITH DEATH ON A PUBLIC FORUM RIGHT? PLEASE GO TAKE YOUR PILLS FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.

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You're goddamn right we have the power.
And as long as there is even one Jew hater left standing that's the way it will remain.
You can bet your ass on that.
Never again, motherfuckers. Never again.
You try? You die.
It's that simple.

Here is my guarantee:

If you fuckers ever, EVER, EVER try to fuck with us ever again there will be nothing left of this planet but a carcass filled with the charred remains of all of humanity.

That is no threat. That is a solemn promise.

If we go...YOU go.

Care to doubt me? Do it at your own risk.

Shalom, motherfuckers!



Never underestimate the Jews (Manhattan)
Date: 2011-02-17, 12:20PM EST
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Money is power. The Jews control the money, therefore they have the power. What power, you ask? The power to influence all government policies, the power to sway court decisions, the power to determine who publishes on the internet.

I'm guessing that it never occurred to the haters that the Jews, particularly the Israelis, have the technology to locate the origin of anything published on the web. It's fairly simple; just think about those who've been caught file-sharing music & movies. Furthermore, given his ethnic origins & what's become of this site, I can't imagine that Craig Newmark would do anything to impede an undertaking such as this.

One of the biggest jerkoffs here has stated on multiple occasions that a reckoning is coming. I suspect that he's right, but that he will be greatly surprised when he finally discovers who the objects of that reckoning are.
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RE: RE: re: Jews are in a constant state of war (German Knight) (Germa
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Date: 2011-02-12, 11:58AM EST
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"I'll bite"

You don't have teeth for this, toothless bigot.

"he hasn't owned this site for many years and sold it off awhile ago"

Source please.

"The company does not formally disclose financial or ownership information. Analysts and commentators have reported varying figures for its annual revenue, ranging from $10 million in 2004, $20 million in 2005, and $25 million in 2006 to possibly $150 million in 2007.[10][11][12] It is believed to be owned principally by Newmark, Buckmaster, and eBay (the three board members). eBay owns approximately 25%, and Newmark is believed to own the largest stake"

YOU FAIL!!!

"You "things" are so putrid to my person that the thought of you makes me want to vomit. "

How's your diarrhea? ;-) I think you have stomach virus, virus of hate.

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RE: re: Jews are in a constant state of war (German Knight) (German Knight)

Date: 2011-02-12, 11:07AM EST
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Arguing with a Jew is like arguing with Satan, but I'll bite.

The "host" you speak of is Craig Newmark, correct? Well he hasn't owned this site for many years and sold it off awhile ago.

I am talking about your HOST-- humans. Keep up, parasitefag.

Ok, for your second part, you just fucking blew it, and you're a fucking idiot. I just said all Jewish holidays are based on the premise of defeating an enemy.. You call me a liar and then re-affirm my statement.

You "things" are so putrid to my person that the thought of you makes me want to vomit.

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re: RE: re: Jews are in a constant state of war (German Knight) (Germa
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How stupid are you Eriik Von Stupidschitt?

"The "host" you speak of is Craig Newmark, correct? Well he hasn't owned this site for many years and sold it off awhile ago."

Wrong again, my dumbass little friend. The owner is Craig Newmark. Ebay also owns a 25% share in the site, but at this point, Craig still owns it.

"I am talking about your HOST-- humans. Keep up, parasitefag."

No, dumbass. We are YOUR host. I notice that you are still obsessed with homosexuality. Prison will do that to a man.

"Ok, for your second part, you just fucking blew it, and you're a fucking idiot. I just said all Jewish holidays are based on the premise of defeating an enemy.. You call me a liar and the re-affirm my statement."

Reading comprehension issues, German Kunt? Apparently. Some Jewish holidays ARE in celebration of survival. Why shouldn't they be. We always win in the end. We always survive. And there is nothing you can do about it. Sucks, huh?

"You "things" are so putrid to my person that the thought of you makes me want to vomit."

Vomit away. Vomit to your heart's content. While you vomit I will laugh at you . All these years of debilitating alcoholism have made you an expert on vomiting.

German Kunt....still useless, still irrelevant, and more powerless than ever to do anything about it. He sits there stewing in his mother;s basement while life goes on all around him and while Jews survive, thrive and live happy productive lives. LMFAO!!





RE: re: Jews are in a constant state of war (German Knight) (German Knight)
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Arguing with a Jew is like arguing with Satan, but I'll bite.

The "host" you speak of is Craig Newmark, correct? Well he hasn't owned this site for many years and sold it off awhile ago.

I am talking about your HOST-- humans. Keep up, parasitefag.

Ok, for your second part, you just fucking blew it, and you're a fucking idiot. I just said all Jewish holidays are based on the premise of defeating an enemy.. You call me a liar and the re-affirm my statement.

You "things" are so putrid to my person that the thought of you makes me want to vomit.

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Re: Craig's Hateful LOSERS (NYC) (Hypocrisy Land)
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It is quite amusing how self righteous individuals, such as the original poster, write "hateful" posts to all of the "Craig's Hateful LOSERS" that they think they are above. The original poster is obviously no better than any of the other hateful posters on this board. This individual is also not as intelligent as they think they are since they would have realized the hypocrisy of their own post. You can just sense the hateful tone in their message and, the sentence, "So to all of you I say FUCK YOU and stew in your hatred", pretty much seals the hypocrisy of their hateful post.

Furthermore, it is so juvenile how the original poster, like so many other individuals on this board, spews this nonsense about how they would like to see haters (usually implying Whites) go up to Blacks, Jews or whatever and say something to their face. This nonsense is really getting old already...Especially since Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc. are just as guilty as Whites when it comes to instigating hate and hiding behind this board. Therefore, stop this childish "Say it to their face" nonsense already. Believe me when I state that no one here is impressed by your tough guy words and that any variation of the phrase "Say it to their face" only serves to substantiate your ignorance and juvenile behavior. Additionally, most of us know that no rational individual would say something negative to random individuals on the street for absolutely no reason. It would simply demonstrate that the instigator is mentally ill and the random individual(s) would most likely walk away...As society would expect from civilized and intelligent individuals.

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Craig's Hateful LOSERS (NYC)
Date: 2011-02-13, 10:35AM EST

I have to laugh at all these anti Jewish, anti Black, anti Gay, etc... posts. Those writing them are so ignorant and hateful it's pathetic.

What's particularly ironic is that in your hate of Jews you are owned by one, the owner of this site is Jewish and laughing all the way to the bank.
If you hate Jews so much why support a Jewish owned website? If you were smart, which you're clearly not, you would boycott all Jewish businesses.
That would make a much stronger statement than all the impotent drivel you post here, because really no one gives a shit. It's fucking boring.

Craig Newmark lets you post your vitriol free of charge.I wish he did charge, then it would all come to an end, cause you racist bastards don't have two nickels to your name I bet. He is doing a social service actually, letting losers like you post because your too cowardly to say in person
what you say on this board. Go to a Jewish or Black neighborhood and start talking your shit out loud, we'll see how long you last before you get your head
handed to you.


So to all of you I say FUCK YOU and stew in your hatred. After all it's all you got.

Ps-to all those who seem to need to rebut all the hate, don't waste your time. Let these idiots post and no one respond. they will soon shut up.
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GIBSON HARASSES JEWS AND THE HANDICAPPED, AND THREATENS TO MURDER RICHARD CHILDERS OF SAN FRANCISCO.

SEE FILES ON GIBSON’S LONG HISTORY OF HARASSING RICHARD CHILDERS. THIS HARASSMENT INCLUDED THREATS OF VIOLENCE, MURDER, AND WERE SOMETIME DIRECTED AT CHILDERS’ ADDRESS:



re: 'I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000' (Childers counter-offers $1000)

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re: 'I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000'

I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000, cash. Just bring his head to me in a glass jar so I can keep it around to smile at.



If I see you, you're a dead man.

That's funny! An anonymous cripple, making threats. Ooh, I'm scared!

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RE: I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000, cash.'

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BWHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA!!! The FBI eh? Ohhhhhh! I'm so scared Childers! Do you think they'll come down to my house and bust my door down to defend you? You used to threaten me with police action several years ago and guess what douche bag? Nothing ever happened!!! LOL!!! Nonetheless, here we go again!!!! Childers continues to believe that the police are with him and that they could give two shits about threats made on his life! I'm sure the cops would love to see Childers go down too and would make me a hero if it were to happen! They'd bust down my door to give me a frickin' medal! LOL! Childers, go away, things were better when you were gone. Leave us alone you fucking loser. Death to Childers! Death to the woman beater! Death to the child molester! Save Helen Wong, kill Childers!!!!

I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000, cash. Just bring his head to me in a glass jar so I can keep it around to smile at.

If I see you, you're a dead man.

That's funny! An anonymous cripple, making threats. Ooh, I'm scared!

Any time you want to see me, just make an appointment, fat-ass.


I can frequently be seen at the Java Beach Cafe - located at the foot of Judah Street, at the end of the 'N' Judah street car line. Just make an appointment, so you can be sure you don't, ah, miss me.

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Richard Childers is a douche bag and a nuisance. All he does is come onto this message board and bother people with his personal agenda.

Actually, I've been consulting for a dot-com, and pulling down $80 per hour. Here, let me help you do the math - that's 8 x 80 = $640 a day, or 40 x 80 = $3200 a week, or 160 x 80 = $12800 a month.

That buys quite a bit of legal representation ...

Here, I'll make a counter offer. I will offer $1000, cash, to the first person who conclusively identifies the individual making these threats, provided that their testimony leads to a successful criminal prosecution of the individual(s) responsible.

My name is Richard Childers. My email address is childers@daemonized.com. Unlike this coward, I stand behind my offer. This offer is good until the end of September, 2008. The money is in my wallet, as I speak - 10 x $100 bills.

As for you, punkie, keep, ah, shooting your mouth off. Please! I'm looking forward to the logical conclusion.
For legal purposes, here is the original threat, in full:

re: Did W.O.M.A.N., Inc. Conceal Evidence of Manslaughter?

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Date: 2008-09-14, 6:12PM PDT

I'll give anyone who kills Childers $100,000, cash. Just bring his head to me in a glass jar so I can keep it around to smile at.

Exhibit A: The world would be a better place with Richard Childers dead.

Exhibit B: Helen Wong's life would be much better if Richard Childers was dead.

Exhibit C: Half of the spam on craigslist would be eliminated if Richard Childers were dead.

Richard Childers is a douche bag and a nuisance. All he does is come onto this message board and bother people with his personal agenda. All these things he talks about happened to him nearly a decade ago yet he is still fixated upon it. He just can't let it go. He beat up Helen Wong and refuses to own up to his faults. He believes that beating up women is a noble and honorable thing to do. The world would be a better place if he were to vanish and never be heard from again. I'd like to cut his testicles off and shove them down his throat. Fuck you Childers. You're a crybaby and a piece of shit. Nobody likes you and nobody cares about your past. You really, really, really need to get over it you fuck. If I see you, you're a dead man.


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Posted in Eugene Oregon:

Of course you are rolling on the floor..YOU'RE CRIPPLED! HA! You know and we know..you are the impotent one..you're crippled! LOL!While I was out I ....parked in a handicapped space, scratched the fuck out of this cripples car AND stole a handicapped card from some other useless cripples car. "Thank you" to the cripple for leaving your window open just enough. Hey, I can reproduce these...You are inspiring me...I am going to hand these out for free..to anybody that wants them. Well, and sell a few to folks that aren't my friends. CHECK E-BAY SOON! You are about to see A LOT more of these around Eugene. If I hit E-Bay..everywhere! Oh yeah. Thank you.

Oh, I posted a BUNCH of cripple jokes on some kids sites, and will continue to spread fear and dislike of cripples. They are fucking useless anyway.

You are a perfect example of why people like you used to be and still should be put away in institutions. Of course you are yawning..you are half a person..life itself is tough for you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Maybe you can tell us a bit about your personal hygiene? Cripples are always dirty. They can't properly clean themselves. Did you ever notice cripples are usually disgusting fatties? Why is that? Do they NEED to eat all day long in front of their computers? Why is it THEY have no respect for their bodies..Oh yeah, their bodies have let them down. How do you wipe your ass? Who helps you?

Gee. I wonder how many cats you have? Does your APARTMENT smell like cat piss, n the shit you can't effectively wipe off your ass? Typical lazy cripple.

Remember; If it weren't for the handicapped, we'd NEVER get parking spaces!

Still here half person. You know you are, That's why you are so angry. HAHAHAHAHA If I was this Dick guy..why wouldn't I be flagging your garbage? You're just a loser that needs attention. LIKE THE REST OF SOCIETY-I AM THROUGH WITH YOUR USELESS ASS. *YAWN* No more attention, loser.

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GIBSON’S VICTIM’S POST:



“Many of his posts have been sent to the Jewish Anti Defamation League, The National Organization For Women, The NAACP, among other groups so he'll soon find himself not only dealing with me but with all those other groups as well. And, yes, they will be dealing with him.”




Re: Cripple Hater

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Reply to: pers-814583314@craigslist.org [?]

Date: 2008-08-26, 6:05PM PDT

First, I'd like to thank you for your kind words. I very much appreciate that. Again thank you.

To be clear his name is Richard Hillary Gibson and he's a very sick screwed up guy who's addicted to speed.

And, yes, I'm the person that he's been attacking and, yes, I'm physically disabled but, as you can see by my post, not mentally disabled at all. lol

Not to worry though because he'll soon be dealt with.

I'e already begun the process of assembling a legal team to construct a case and bring him to task for his violations not only against me but against literally hundred of other people he has been attacking for the last four years.

Many of his posts have been sent to the Jewish Anti Defamation League, The National Organization For Women, The NAACP, among other groups so he'll soon find himself not only dealing with me but with all those other groups as well. And, yes, they will be dealing with him.

Again thanks for your kind words and thoughtful post. I really do appreciate it.

Have yourself a wonderful day!

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EUGENE RANTS

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Feel free to post to all of us at: http://eugene.craigslist.org/rnr/

We love LA, not really, hehe

Do you know of this crazy poster?

"Richard Hillary Gibson, a psychotic disbarred lawyer speed freak from Los Angeles. You can read all about him here but do it quickly before he flags this post. http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pol/799186882.html"

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BELOW IS ANOTHER TYPICAL GIBSON POST:

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Of course you are rolling on the floor..YOU'RE CRIPPLED! HA! You know and we know..you are the impotent one..you're crippled! LOL!While I was out I ....parked in a handicapped space, scratched the fuck out of this cripples car AND stole a handicapped card from some other useless cripples car. "Thank you" to the cripple for leaving your window open just enough. Hey, I can reproduce these...You are inspiring me...I am going to hand these out for free..to anybody that wants them. Well, and sell a few to folks that aren't my friends. CHECK E-BAY SOON! You are about to see A LOT more of these around Eugene. If I hit E-Bay..everywhere! Oh yeah. Thank you.

Oh, I posted a BUNCH of cripple jokes on some kids sites, and will continue to spread fear and dislike of cripples. They are fucking useless anyway.

You are a perfect example of why people like you used to be and still should be put away in institutions. Of course you are yawning..you are half a person..life itself is tough for you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Maybe you can tell us a bit about your personal hygiene? Cripples are always dirty. They can't properly clean themselves. Did you ever notice cripples are usually disgusting fatties? Why is that? Do they NEED to eat all day long in front of their computers? Why is it THEY have no respect for their bodies..Oh yeah, their bodies have let them down. How do you wipe your ass? Who helps you?

Gee. I wonder how many cats you have? Does your APARTMENT smell like cat piss, n the shit you can't effectively wipe off your ass? Typical lazy cripple.


Remember; If it weren't for the handicapped, we'd NEVER get parking spaces!

Still here half person. You know you are, That's why you are so angry. HAHAHAHAHA If I was this Dick guy..why wouldn't I be flagging your garbage? You're just a loser that needs attention. LIKE THE REST OF SOCIETY-I AM THROUGH WITH YOUR USELESS ASS. *YAWN* No more attention, loser.

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MANY OF GIBSON’S POST COMMENT ON DRUG USE AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT HE IS ACTIVELY REMOVING POSTS/FLAGGING HARASSING.

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GIBSON’S POST ON RANTS, EUGENE OREGON:

“I pop onto R&R for a minute and see this post about Dick Gibson”

Reply to: pers-812218807@craigslist.org [?]

Date: 2008-08-25, 10:31AM PDT
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Some little twat keeps e-mailng me saying he knows who I am with the tag- Yourass Ismine(hahahahahahaha) . Today I got one saying he knows my name is Dick Gibson. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Who the fuck is Dick Gibson? Then again, who the hell cares? I pop onto R&R for a minute and see this post about Dick Gibson. Great detective work! Ya read one article and suddenly you know everything. Typical. Man, I can't wait until school starts so theses punks will at least be out of our hair. On more time little man...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Come get some little boy. What are you going to do?? Keep e-mailing me? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm not who you think I am. I think you will be surprised. I'm not Dick. But more importantly, I'm not scared. I am going to laugh at this one ALL DAY. Gotta show this to my friends! lol! By the way..my ass? IS fine! So is my glass! I'm going to go blow some awesome glass right now and make around four hundo in a few hours. See Ya..Wouldn't want to be ya!


Richard Gibson
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WE CAN BUILD ON OBAMA'S MEXICAN WELFARE STATE....! WE JUST NEED TO GET MORE ILLEGALS REGISTERED TO VOTE & VOTE OFTEN FOR OBAMA!!!

“Through love of having children, we are going to take over.” AUGUSTIN CEBADA, BROWN BERETS, THE LA RAZA FASCIST PARTY

http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm


THESE FIGURES ON WELFARE FOR ILLEGALS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY ARE DATED. IT NOT EXCEEDS $600 MILLION PER YEAR!!! (source: Los Angeles County & JUDICIAL WATCH)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949085/posts
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/we-are-la-raza-free-healthcare-system.html

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A GLIMPSE OF YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLAR AT WORK EXPANDING THE MEXICAN WELFARE STATE:

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AN AMERICAN SEES & SPEAKS -- Illegals and the MELTDOWN OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY -- The Ever Expanding Mexican Welfare System

WHY WE ARE IN SUCH A MONEY SQUEEZE

Florida ER doctor's notes

Having spent three weeks in a hospital in Naples, Florida with my wife I couldnt help noticing what was going on in the hospital and I had a lot of time to talk to the doctors and nurses about what I had observed. Below is a commentary from an ER Doctor. Do you think this might be a big reason our health care system and our social security system are so screwed up? Do you think this might be a big reason our taxes keep going up? Who do you think these people are going to vote for?

From a Florida ER doctor:

"I live and work in a state overrun with illegals. They make more money having kids than we earn working full-time. Today I had a 25-year old with 8 kids - thats right 8; all illegal anchor babies and she had the nicest nails, cell phone, hand bag, clothing, etc. She makes about $1,500 monthly for each; you do the math. I used to say, We are the dumbest nation on earth. Now I must say and sadly admit: WE are the dumbest people on earth (that includes ME) for we elected the idiot idealogues who have passed the bills that allow this. Sorry, but we need a revolution. Vote them all out in 2010. "


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LOS ANGELES – A MEXICAN WELFARE AND CRIME STATE WHERE THE JOBS ALSO GO TO ILLEGALS
http://mex¬icanoccupa¬tion.blogs¬pot.com/20¬11/04/mexi¬can-welfar¬e-state-in¬-los-angel¬es.html

MESSAGE FROM MEXIFORNIA: No Legal Need Apply - By AUSTIN HILL

WHEN JERRY BROWN WAS AG, THE TOP MOST WANTED CRIMINALS IN CALIFORNIA WERE LA RAZA MEXICAN ILLEGALS.
THE TOP MOST WANTED CRIMINALS IN LOS ANGELES ARE ILLEGALS FROM MEXICO!

WHILE JERRY BROWN WILL CLOSE STATE PARKS TO BALANCE THE BUDGETS, HE WILL NOT CUT THE STAGGERING COST OF SOCIAL SERVICES TO ILLEGALS!
CA TURNED INTO A MEXICAN OCCUPIED LOOTING ZONE BECAUSE OF THE STAGGERING CORRUPTION OF THE LA RAZA DEMS! FEINSTEIN, BOXER, PELOSI, WAXMAN, LOFGREN, AND THE LA RAZA PARTY SUPREMACIST REPS. XAVIER BECERRA, JOE BACA AND THE FAMOUS SANCHEZ SISTERS, LINDA & LORETTA, BOTH “WON” ELECTED OFFICE WITH THE VOTES OF ILLEGALS!
VIVA LA RAZA? JUST VISIT CA AND FIND A JOB IF YOU’RE NOT AN ILLEGAL!

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Townhall Columnists Austin Hill


Austin Hill
Message From California: “American Citizens Need Not Apply”
6/5/2011 | Email Austin Hill | Columnist's Archive
The United States is ordered by a “government of the people, by the people, for the people…”
But in modern-day California, it’s not so obvious any longer which “people” the government is allegedly serving.
Let’s go back to September of 2010. In the midst of the Golden State’s contest for a new Governor, a woman named Nicky Diaz Santillan held a press conference in Los Angeles – along with her famous Attorney Gloria Allred – and announced that she was suing Republican gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman.
Santillan, we were to learn, had been a live-in housekeeper for the Whitman family between 2000 and 2009. After she was fired from that position she decided to do what Californians often do, and she sued her former employer for “emotional and financial abuse.”
Ms. Santillan happened also to be an illegal alien -a fact she revealed at her press conference -and had stolen an American citizen’s Social Security number so as to falsify documents and to portray herself as a citizen, when she was seeking employment with Whitman.
It was quite a spectacle, that strange September day in California. Seated behind the microphones and in front of the cameras of the American media, flanked by an American Attorney who had accessed the American judicial system to sue an American citizen named Meg Whitman, sat an illegal alien named Nicky Diaz Santillan.
Nobody dared to ask questions about the fact that Ms. Santillan’s presence in California was a violation of federal law. And nobody said a word about her admission to the crime of identity theft. It was all about the alleged “abuse” done to her by the American Meg Whitman.
In fact, California’s top law enforcement agent at that time – Attorney General Jerry Brown – had nothing to say about illegal immigration and identity theft either. Brown was the Democrat nominee for Governor, and he was polling behind Whitman. So rather than address the apparent crimes and confessions, Brown instead joined the chorus of critics claiming that Whitman had been “insensitive” for ending Ms. Santillan’s employment.
Shortly after that press conference, Brown began to poll ahead of Whitman. On Election Day in November, Brown trounced Whitman by nearly fourteen percentage points.
In California, trying to uphold the law with illegal aliens can be a very costly thing. Yet the political benefits of allowing illegal aliens to live above the “government of the people” can be enormous.
After the election, California was rocked by another bizarre event. At Fresno State University, one of California’s largest tax-payer funded schools, the campus newspaper revealed that their student body president Pedro Ramirez was an illegal alien.
Whether Ramirez was “outed,” or he “arranged to be outed,” is not quite clear. But after the news broke, Ramirez set out on a well orchestrated series of international media interviews (he rapidly became the “guest of choice” at “CNN En Espanol”) and a speaking tour to promote the federal “Dream Act” amnesty legislation. He flew up and down the state of California, and even paid a visit to Washington, D.C. to “lobby Congress” on behalf of illegal immigrants.
Ramirez’ presence in California was a violation of federal law, yes. But once again, California government officials didn’t dare ask the obvious questions: How does he pass through security check points at airports? Does he have an American passport? Does he have a California Driver’s License? How did he obtain these documents? Was identity theft involved?
It’s a “government of the people,” sure. But what does this mean any longer in California?
Not only does California ignore definitions of “crime” and “punishment” in cases involving illegal aliens, it is now about to legislate preferential treatment for illegal aliens which, de facto, will put U.S. citizens at a disadvtange. With a budget deficit of somewhere between $10 and $15 billion – a deficit that is expected to swell to about $25 billion by the middle of 2012 – California is cutting back on funding for everything from highway maintenance to K-12 education.
But – alas! – the California legislature has nonetheless found money in the coffers to fund special college and university grants intended specifically for illegal alien students (Americans need not apply). It’s called the “California DREAM Act,” and it’s sailing quite smoothly through the legislature right now.
In the 21st Century, it’s difficult to imagine that tax-payer funded college scholarship programs designated for “citizens and legal residents only” would be met with favor anywhere in America. But in modern-day California – a state that will probably be asking for an “Obama bailout” in the near future - tax-payer funds set aside “for illegal aliens only” is quite acceptable.
Yes, it’s true - the United States is ordered by a “government of the people, by the people, for the people…” But in our 31st state, it’s a government that is “for” just about anyone – except the American Citizen.
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/05/heather-mac-donald-illegal-alien-crime.html
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“Through love of having children, we are going to take over.” AUGUSTIN CEBADA, BROWN BERETS, THE LA RAZA FASCIST PARTY

http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm


http://www.mexica-movement.org/ They claim all of North America for Mexico!

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Lou Dobbs Tonight
Monday, February 11, 2008
In California, League of United Latin American Citizens has adopted a resolution to declare "California Del Norte" a sanctuary zone for immigrants. The declaration urges the Mexican government to invoke its rights under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo "to seek third nation neutral arbitration of disputes concerning immigration laws and their enforcement." We’ll have the story.
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“At the hearing, Dr. Rakesh Kochar, Associate Director for Research at the Pew Hispanic Center, testified that in the year following the official end of the recession (June 2009), foreign-born workers gained 656,000 jobs while native-born workers lost an additional 1.2 million jobs.”

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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/05/joe-american-legal-vs-la-raza-jose.html
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Dependence on illegal labor is the elephant in the room for the U.S. restaurant business. And experts say the Chipotle ICE investigations are a wake-up call for an industry that is one of America's biggest employers and generates over $300 billion in annual sales, according to research firm IBISWorld Inc.
http://ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2010-01

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MEXICO DOES NOT WANT THEIR CRIMINALS BACK.

http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/04/gao-criminal-aliens-continue-to-burden.html
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206 Most wanted criminals in Los Angeles. Out of 206 criminals--183 are hispanic---171 of those are wanted for Murder.

Why do Americans still protect the illegals??

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_11255121?appSession=934140935651450&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=

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TEN MOST WANTED CRIMINALS IN CALIFORNIA ARE MEXICANS!
http://ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2010-01
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103 Did you know illegals kill 12 Americans a day?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1738432/posts FBI Crime Statistics - Crimes committed by illegals.

“Through love of having children, we are going to take over.” AUGUSTIN CEBADA, BROWN BERETS, THE LA RAZA FASCIST PARTY

http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm


THESE FIGURES ON WELFARE FOR ILLEGALS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY ARE DATED. IT NOT EXCEEDS $600 MILLION PER YEAR!!! (source: Los Angeles County & JUDICIAL WATCH)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949085/posts
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LOS ANGELES – A MEXICAN WELFARE AND CRIME STATE WHERE THE JOBS ALSO GO TO ILLEGALS
http://mex¬icanoccupa¬tion.blogs¬pot.com/20¬11/04/mexi¬can-welfar¬e-state-in¬-los-angel¬es.html

Rep. Ed Royce: OBAMAcare Is A Magnet for Illegal Immigration - BUT THAT'S WHAT OBAMA, PELOSI, FEINSTEIN, BOXER & REID HAD IN MIND! MORE ILLEGALS VOTING FOR LA RAZA DEMS!

http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/congressional-favorability-ratings.html
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/obamas-generous-gift-off-our-tax.html

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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/04/mexico-demands-free-health-care-for.html
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http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2011/03/where-to-go-when-your-local-emergency.html
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For some, a struggle WHO THINKS ABOUT THE STRUGGLE OF THE AMERICANS?


Some illegal immigrants have used stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for health programs -- a form of medical identity theft increasingly on hospital radars. Many more scramble to pay for their medicine and doctors visits in cash, a challenge in an economy where day-laborer work has dried up.

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www.royce.house.gov
Royce
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"ObamaCare: Magnet for Illegal Immigration" by Rep. Ed Royce


Washington, Mar 26 -
The following oped by Rep. Ed Royce appeared in today's FlashReport:



This weekend, Congress held a marathon session debating health care reform. The Democrat Leadership's goal was to get a health care bill through at any cost, making backroom deals and abusing the legislative process to get it done.



One faction of the Democrat Party held off on supporting the health care legislation in order to get an amnesty bill to the House floor. After meeting with pro-amnesty legislators, President Barack Obama pledged to do everything in his power to get immigration legislation moving in Congress. This pledge coincided with the release of an amnesty legislation outline pushed by Senators Charles Schumer and Lindsey Graham. And open borders activists congregated on the steps of the Capitol building the Sunday of the vote to remind the President of his promise.



President Obama claims his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants but how can you promise illegal immigrants won't be covered if the bill doesn't contain enforcement mechanisms to verify whether an individual is here illegally? The answer, you can't.



California's health care system is already heavily impacted by the cost of illegal immigration. Roughly $1.4 billion a year in taxpayer dollars goes toward providing health care to illegal immigrants in our state. Expanding government control of our health care system only compounds the problems of illegal immigration and health care costs. Additionally, there is nothing in the bill to monitor whether illegal immigrants are using our health care system. Most government programs use the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program to prevent access. But once again, there is no enforcement mechanism in the legislation. Illegal immigrants will be able to access all the services provided by this health care bill.



Although the bill bars illegal immigrants from using the health exchange, there is no requirement to check anyone's immigration status. Without any enforcement, it becomes as ineffective as our immigration laws.



The government takeover of healthcare also vastly expands the number of people eligible for Medicaid. While illegal immigrants are theoretically barred from this program, last year the Democrat Leadership eroded the Medicaid verification process. Under S-CHIP reauthorization, a person now only has to provide a Social Security number and name in order to get benefits. Before this change, documentation like birth certificates and driver's licenses were required to ensure that the person enrolling was the same person whose Social Security number and name was being submitted. I supported an effort to stop this change but it was defeated.



The Social Security Administration receives about 8 million mismatches from the IRS every year, for reports filed under names that do not match the Social Security numbers. This is why I supported efforts requiring the use of identity documents under the House health care bill, but again this was defeated by the Democrat Majority.



So what does this all mean? It means that the health care legislation the Democrats just passed will be a magnet for more illegal immigration. It means that amnesty will be pushed with as much vigor as the health care bill, creating another inducement to cross U.S. borders. At the time of the passage of the 1986 amnesty, the number of illegal immigrants who took advantage of it went from what was thought to be only 1.5 million to a total 4 million. This time around we are talking about legalizing around 12 million who are here illegally, but in the end how many will it be?

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MEXICANOCCUPATION.blogspot.com

There are already 38 million illegals in the country. La Raza, the Mexican supremacist party for expansion of the Mexican welfare state, is actively fighting against illegals participating in the census. They do this through the Mexican media, and through the Catholic church. The Senate has joined in this fight. BOTH LA RAZA ENTITIES DO NOW WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW HOW BAD THE MEXICAN INVASION AND OCCUPATION IS!

Where in this country is it NOT Mexican occupied?

Judicial Watch
Mexicans Say Amnesty Will Boost Illegal Immigration
last Updated: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 3:02pm
If President Obama keeps his promise of giving the nation’s 12 million illegal aliens amnesty it will encourage more Mexicans to enter the United States, according to residents of the struggling Latin American country who are undoubtedly rooting for the commander-in-chief’s plan.
The majority of illegal immigrants in the U.S. are from Mexico therefore the president’s reprieve project will greatly affect that nation. Two-thirds of Mexicans say they know someone living in the United States and around one-third have an immediate member of their household or close relative living in the U.S.
A majority of those residing south of the border say legalizing their undocumented countrymen will inspire more Mexicans to head north, according to a recent survey conducted by an internationally known polling and market research company. A vast majority of Mexicans with a relative in the United States said a legalization program would make people they know more likely to go to America illegally.
The results of the survey were made public this week by a research organization dedicated to studying the economic, social, fiscal and demographic impacts of immigration in the U.S. It reveals that nearly one-third of Mexican residents (nearly 40 million people) would like to live in the U.S. and if there was an amnesty a large number would come illegally with the hope of qualifying for a future exoneration.
An amnesty, therefore, would stimulate more illegal immigration which is the last thing this country needs. Furthermore, rewarding those who have violated our nation’s laws with coveted U.S. residency and possibly citizenship demeans the system, especially for those who follow the appropriate steps to come lawfully.
It’s bad enough that U.S. taxpayers annually dish out billions of dollars to educate, medically treat and incarcerate illegal aliens who are, in many cases, depleting local governments. Los Angeles County alone spends more than $1 billion a year, including $48 million a month in welfare costs, to provide services for illegal aliens. The crisis is hardly limited to border states, which have traditionally been the most impacted. Georgia’s skyrocketing illegal population costs taxpayers nearly $2 billion a year.
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ILLEGAL ALIEN POPULATION MAY BE AS HIGH AS 38 MILLION
Study: Illegal alien population may be as high as 38 million A new report finds the Homeland Security Department "grossly underestimates" the number of illegal aliens living in the U.S. Homeland Security's Office of Immigration Studies released a report August 31 that estimates the number of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. is between 8 and 12 million. But the group Californians for Population Stabilization, or CAPS, has unveiled a report estimating the illegal population is actually between 20 and 38 million. Four experts, all of whom contributed to the study prepared by CAPS, discussed their findings at a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington Wednesday. James Walsh, a former associate general counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, said he is "appalled" that the Bush administration, lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and every Democratic presidential candidate, with the exception of Joe Biden, have no problem with sanctuary cities for illegal aliens. "Ladies and gentlemen, the sanctuary cities and the people that support them are violating the laws of the United States of America. They're violating 8 USC section 1324 and 1325, which is a felony -- [it's] a felony to aid, support, transport, shield, harbor illegal aliens," Walsh stated. Walsh said his analysis indicating there are 38 million illegal aliens in the U.S. was calculated using the conservative estimate of three illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for each one apprehended. According to Walsh, "In the United States, immigration is in a state of anarchy -- not chaos, but anarchy."
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NEW YORK TIMES July 18, 2007
Editorial Observer
Trying Times Ahead: The Prospect of 60 Million Californians
By VERLYN KLINKENBORG
Recently, the California Department of Finance projected that there will be some 60 million people living in the state by 2050. At present there are 36 million. The numbers in themselves are frightening enough, but what I find terrifying is the bland assumption that a two-thirds increase in population is inevitable and that the main problem will be creating the infrastructure necessary to house, feed, educate, transport and govern all those people. To me, the main problem is how to keep them from showing up in the first place. Somehow the numbers in themselves don’t really suggest the sobering weight of this projection. To say that for every three Californians now there will be five in 2050 doesn’t capture the scale of change. If you said that for every three houses now there will be five in 2050, or for every three cars, ditto, you might be getting a little closer to the visceral feel of the thing. But when it comes to houses and cars, California is a land of loaves and fishes, always multiplying in the most unexpected ways. To live in the state is to live with unrelenting change, whether you like it or not, and it has been that way for decades. But this population increase will mean more than filling up San Bernardino, Riverside and Kern Counties and paving the entire midsection of the state and creating impromptu day-schools and conference centers in stopped traffic. We tend to talk about humans as if they were interchangeable — as if the Californian of 1957 were somehow equivalent to the Californian of 2007. But today’s Californian consumes far more, if you consider consumption in its broadest sense. Draw pictures of those two Californians to the scale of their consumption, and the present-day resident would dwarf his ancestor. There’s a chance that a mid-21st-century Californian will look back in horror at the enormous consumption footprint of someone living in the state right now. That sense of horror would be good news — a sign that the coming generations had taken to heart that the way we live now, even in its current dimensions, is unsustainable. The trouble, of course, is that a population projection like this one more or less takes it for granted that not much will have changed by 2050. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be 60 million people in the state. 60 million Californians by mid-century Riverside will become the second most populous county behind Los Angeles and Latinos the dominant ethnic group, study says.By Maria L. La Ganga and Sara LinTimes Staff Writers July 10, 2007 Over the next half-century, California's population will explode by nearly 75%, and Riverside will surpass its bigger neighbors to become the second most populous county after Los Angeles, according to state Department of Finance projections released Monday. California will near the 60-million mark in 2050, the study found, raising questions about how the state will look and function and where all the people and their cars will go. Dueling visions pit the iconic California building block of ranch house, big yard and two-car garage against more dense, high-rise development. But whether sprawl or skyscrapers win the day, the Golden State will probably be a far different and more complex place than it is today, as people live longer and Latinos become the dominant ethnic group, eclipsing all others combined. Some critics forecast disaster if gridlock and environmental impacts are not averted. Others see a possible economic boon, particularly for retailers and service industries with an eye on the state as a burgeoning market. "It's opportunity with baggage," said Jack Kyser, chief economist for the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., in "a country masquerading as a state." Other demographers argue that the huge population increase the state predicts will occur only if officials complete major improvements to roads and other public infrastructure. Without that investment, they say, some Californians would flee the state. If the finance department's calculations hold, California's population will rise from 34.1 million in 2000 to 59.5 million at the mid-century point, about the same number of people as Italy has today. And its projected growth rate in those 50 years will outstrip the national rate — nearly 75% compared with less than 50% projected by the federal government. That could translate to increased political clout in Washington, D.C. Southern California's population is projected to grow at a rate of more than 60%, according to the new state figures, reaching 31.6 million by mid-century. That's an increase of 12.1 million over just seven counties. L.A. County alone will top 13 million by 2050, an increase of almost 3.5 million residents. And Riverside County — long among the fastest-growing in the state — will triple in population to 4.7 million by mid-century. Riverside County will add 3.1 million people, according to the new state figures, eclipsing Orange and San Diego to become the second most populous in the state. With less expensive housing than the coast, Riverside County has grown by more than 472,000 residents since 2000, according to state estimates. USC Professor Genevieve Giuliano, an expert on land use and transportation, would probably agree. Such massive growth, if it occurs, she said, will require huge investment in the state's highways, schools, and energy and sewer systems at a "very formidable cost." If those things aren't built, Giuliano questioned whether the projected population increases will occur. "Sooner or later, the region will not be competitive and the growth is not going to happen," she said. If major problems like traffic congestion and housing costs aren't addressed, Giuliano warned, the middle class is going to exit California, leaving behind very high-income and very low-income residents. I.E. MILLIONS OF ILLITERATE MEXICANS. The Department of Finance releases long-term population projections every three years. Between the last two reports, number crunchers have taken a more detailed look at California's statistics and taken into account the likelihood that people will live longer, said chief demographer Mary Heim. The result? The latest numbers figure the state will be much more crowded than earlier estimates (by nearly 5 million) and that it will take a bit longer than previously thought for Latinos to become the majority of California's population: 2042, not 2038. 75% OF THE GROWTH WILL BE LATINO The figures show that the majority of California's growth will be in the Latino population, said Dowell Myers, a professor of urban planning and demography at USC, adding that "68% of the growth this decade will be Latino, 75% next and 80% after that." That should be a wake-up call for voting Californians, Myers said, pointing out a critical disparity. Though the state's growth is young and Latino, the majority of voters will be older and white — at least for the next decade. "The future of the state is Latino growth," Myers said. "We'd sure better invest in them and get them up to speed. Older white voters don't see it that way. They don't realize that someone has to replace them in the work force, pay for their benefits and buy their house." http://immigrationcounters.com/

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WE ARE LA RAZA "FREE" HEALTHCARE SYSTEM - The La Raza Dems Have Promised to EXPAND IT MORE - VIVA LA RAZA?

A GLIMPSE OF YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLAR AT WORK EXPANDING THE MEXICAN WELFARE STATE:

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AN AMERICAN SEES & SPEAKS – Illegals and the MELTDOWN OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY – The Ever Expanding Mexican Welfare System

WHY WE ARE IN SUCH A MONEY SQUEEZE

Florida ER doctor's notes

Having spent three weeks in a hospital in Naples, Florida with my wife I couldnt help noticing what was going on in the hospital and I had a lot of time to talk to the doctors and nurses about what I had observed. Below is a commentary from an ER Doctor. Do you think this might be a big reason our health care system and our social security system are so screwed up? Do you think this might be a big reason our taxes keep going up? Who do you think these people are going to vote for?

From a Florida ER doctor:

"I live and work in a state overrun with illegals. They make more money having kids than we earn working full-time. Today I had a 25-year old with 8 kids - thats right 8; all illegal anchor babies and she had the nicest nails, cell phone, hand bag, clothing, etc. She makes about $1,500 monthly for each; you do the math. I used to say, We are the dumbest nation on earth. Now I must say and sadly admit: WE are the dumbest people on earth (that includes ME) for we elected the idiot idealogues who have passed the bills that allow this. Sorry, but we need a revolution. Vote them all out in 2010. "


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LET ILLEGALS BUY INTO HEALTH CARE PLAN? WHY SHOULD THEY? THEY GET ALL THE FREEBEES THEY CAN STEAL NOW!


There are numerous fallacies with the notion illegals should be able to purchase healthcare insurance. The first being that there are only about 12 million illegals here. Most sources put the figures at 40 million and breeding fast, and hoping the borders with ease is even more. The Mexicans don’t invade to “buy into”. Mexicans are racist that loathe anything American! Our language, flag, and certainly laws! They’re here to pillage, and pillage they do!

In Mexican occupied sanctuary city Los Angeles, cops are not permitted to ask illegals if they’re illegal. That’s a no no! It’s one more message to millions of illegals that the laws, as are our borders, are silly stupid gringo jokes that don’t apply to them! Similarly, it is illegal to hire illegals anywhere! Yet in this sanctuary city (there are only eight states with a larger population than Los Angeles), 47% of those employed are ILLEGALS using stolen social security numbers. It is also illegal for banks to open banks accounts for illegals. La Raza donors Wells Fargo and Bank of America does so every day! There’s good money in the transfer of money back to NARCOMEX and exploiting illegals (both had aggressive marketing devices to hand mortgages to illegals. Those mortgages now cost legals billions in bailouts. The areas with the largest number of foreclosures are states with the largest number of illegals)

In Los Angeles, 1 in 5 births are by illegals, paid for by taxpayers. The figure is 1 in 10 the rest of the country. The government of NARCOMEX does not recompense the American taxpayers for theses costs. WE ARE MEXICO’S WELFARE SYSTEM!
Many Americans think that being illegal precludes you from welfare. Not so! In Mexican occupied Los Angeles, which has a LA RAZA FASCIST PARTY Mayor Villaraigosa, there are signs posted in welfare offices informing illegals there is no impediment to signing up for gringo welfare. This county pays out $50 million PER MONTH in welfare to illegals. It also has a tax-free Mexican underground economy calculated to be $2 billion per year.

Meanwhile the La Raza Dems, and the government of NARCOMEX both want the hispandering OBAMA healthcare plan to be part of the newest LA RAZA DEMS’ PUSH FOR AMNESTY=CHEAP LABOR and VOTES! (Both Reps. Loretta and Linda Sanchez won their seats with the votes of illegals in Orange County!)

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Washington Post

Let illegal immigrants buy into health plans
Saturday, December 26, 2009; A22
ONE KEY AREA in which the House health-care bill is superior to the Senate version involves health care for illegal immigrants. No, that was not a typo: illegal immigrants. Neither the House nor the Senate version would pay for health care for those who are in the country illegally -- although it could be argued that, to the extent they land in emergency rooms without health insurance, everyone ends up footing that bill. The question is whether those who are in the country illegally should be permitted to purchase, entirely with their own money, insurance policies available on the newly created exchanges. The House measure would permit such purchases. The Senate would not -- and the White House has unfortunately come down on the Senate side.
The real solution to the problem of illegal immigration is, of course, comprehensive immigration reform. Until then, millions of people are and are going to remain in the country illegally: The Congressional Budget Office projects there will be about 14 million who are not elderly in 2019. Of those, according to the CBO, almost 60 percent, or 8 million, will be uninsured. If some are willing and able to purchase insurance through the exchanges -- and the CBO estimates that a few million would -- it makes no sense to bar them from doing so.
In fact, allowing such purchases would benefit everyone. First, the more the ranks of the uninsured are reduced, the less the burden on hospitals and other parts of the health-care system to provide uncompensated care, the costs of which are passed on to other consumers in the form of higher prices and premiums. Second, illegal immigrants to this country tend to be relatively young and healthy. The more such individuals purchase insurance, the healthier -- and less costly -- the risk pool.
The supposed danger of opening the exchanges to illegal immigrants is that they will somehow obtain government subsidies for the insurance. But of course this possibility exists whether or not illegal immigrants are eligible to participate in the exchanges. How much of a danger that is depends on the separate question of whether the verification requirements for citizenship or legal status are adequate. The Senate's approach, which would require proof of legal status to obtain insurance through the exchange even for those not seeking government subsidies, would impose an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy without any evident benefit.
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PRNewswire September 8, 2009
WASHINGTON, Sept. 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- As President Obama addresses the nation on health care reform, a new analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies estimates that 6.6 million uninsured illegal immigrants could receive benefits under the House health reform bill (H.R. 3200). While the bill states that illegal immigrants are not eligible for the new taxpayer-funded affordability credits, there is nothing in the bill to enforce this provision. Congress defeated efforts to require the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program. More than 70 other programs of this kind use SAVE.
The report is available at http://www.CIS.org/ IllegalsAndHealthCareHR3200. Among the findings:
-- In 2007, there were an estimated 6.6 million illegal immigrants without
health insurance who had incomes below 400 percent of poverty, which is
the income ceiling for the new affordability premium credits.
-- If all uninsured illegal immigrants with incomes below 400 percent of
poverty received the new credits, the estimated cost to the federal
government would be $30.5 billion annually.
-- The current cost of treating uninsured illegal immigrants at all levels
of government is an estimated $4.3 billion a year, primarily at
emergency rooms and free clinics.
-- On July 16 an amendment by Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) that would have
required the use of the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements
(SAVE) program to prevent illegal immigrants from receiving the
affordability credits was defeated by the House Ways and Means
Committee.
-- At present 71 other means-tested federal programs require use of the
SAVE system to prevent illegal immigrants and other ineligible
non-citizens from accessing them.
-- Even though there is no mechanism to prevent enrollment, it is likely
that many income-eligible illegal immigrants would not enroll out of
fear or lack of knowledge of the new programs. Thus the actual costs
would be less than the maximum estimate of $30.5 billion. However, if
illegal immigrants are legalized and could receive affordability
credits, a much larger percentage would be expected to enroll, with a
corresponding increase in costs.
-- Uninsured illegal immigrants tend to use less in health care on average
than others without health insurance because they tend to be young. This
fact is incorporated into the current cost estimate of $4.3 billion.
However, government-provided affordability credits paid to insurance
companies are the same for everyone regardless of age or preexisting
conditions. Therefore, the younger age of illegals does not result in
lower average costs for taxpayers for this program.
-- It is also worth noting that the report estimates that 38 percent of
illegal immigrants had health insurance in 2007. Additionally, the
report estimates that there are at least 360,000 uninsured illegal
immigrants with incomes above 400 percent of poverty who would not
qualify for benefits under H.R. 3200.
-- It is also possible that illegal immigrants could benefit from the
expansion of Medicaid under H.R. 3200. The bill does not require
identity verification for those claiming U.S. birth. Of illegal
immigrants with incomes under 400 percent of poverty, about half live
under 133 percent of poverty, which is the new ceiling for Medicaid
eligibility.
-- On July 30 an amendment by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) that would have
required identity variation for those claiming U.S. birth was defeated
by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
Methodology: To estimate the number of illegal immigrants in the United States this report uses the March 2008 Current Population Survey (CPS) collected by the Census Bureau. While the CPS does not ask the foreign-born if they are legal residents, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), former INS, and other outside researchers have all used socio-demographic characteristics in Census Bureau data to estimate the size of the illegal alien population; this report follows the same approach. The March CPS also asks about income and health insurance coverage and on this basis the report estimates the share of low-income illegal immigrants who are without health insurance coverage. By design these estimates of the size and characteristics of the illegal-immigrant population match those
The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research institution that examines the impact of immigration on the United States. It has no position on the health reform legislation before Congress or any other matter unrelated to immigration.
SOURCE Center for Immigration Studies
Originally published by Center for Immigration Studies.

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Mexico Promotes Free U.S. Healthcare For Illegal Immigrants

Time to wake up people! With unemployment at 12% and the state going broke, our tax dollars are going to pay for healthcare for hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens. To the tune of over a billion dollars a year!
Read on:
Mexico's government operates programs in about a dozen American cities that refers its nationals--living in the U.S. illegally--to publicly funded health centers where they can get free medical care without being turned over to immigration authorities.

The program is called Ventanillas de Salud (Health Windows) in Spanish and its mission is to help illegal immigrants find U.S. hospitals, clinics and other government programs where they can get free services without being deported for violating federal immigration laws.

Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, San Diego and Indiana are among the cities where Mexican consulates operate the health referral system which annually costs U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars. In Los Angeles County alone, illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $440 million in health services annually and a whopping $1.1 billion statewide.

The Mexican consul in Los Angeles proudly announced that nearly 300,000 Mexicans in the area have benefited from his government's health referral program, which he says actually saves the county money by encouraging immigrants to seek preventive care rather than waiting for more expensive emergency treatment.

The Southern California operation promises to assess "consulate clients" for eligibility to government-funded health insurance and other primary care services and offers free legal assistance to those who are denied coverage. Its goal is to improve access to health services for immigrants of Mexican origin by formalizing a health education, medical home referral and insurance enrollment program.

In Chicago, the Mexican consul's Spanish-language web site heavily promotes the Illinois Department of Health's low-cost prescription medicine program for illegal aliens and various free medical services throughout the state. It encourages all Mexicans in the area to pursue the valuable U.S. government-financed services for their entire family.

The Indiana-based program boasts that it serves thousands of "Mexican nationals" living in that state as well as Ohio, Kentucky and southern Illinois. Mexican officials claim that its highly successful pro-health program sends out a clear message to other Mexican consulates throughout the country and the world.

Although these programs facilitate people to remain in the country illegally, Mexico is working hard to expand them to all 47 U.S. consulates to better serve its nationals. In the meantime, U.S. taxpayers will keep picking up the exorbitant tab of medically treating the millions who live in the country illegally.

www.judicialwatchwatch.org
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/obamas-generous-gift-off-our-tax.html

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Neither the House nor the Senate version would pay for health care for those who are in the country illegally -- although it could be argued that, to the extent they land in emergency rooms without health insurance, everyone ends up footing that bill.

http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2011/03/where-to-go-when-your-local-emergency.html

Where To Go When Your Local Emergency Room Goes Bankrupt?"



During the past ten years 84 California hospitals have declared bankruptcy and closed down their Emergency Rooms forever. Financially crippled by legistlative and judicial mandates to treat illegal aliens have bankrupted hospitals! In 2010, in Los Angeles County alone, over 2 million illegal aliens recorded visits to county emergency rooms for both routine and emergency care. Per official figures, the cost is $1,000 dollars for every taxpayer in Los Angeles County.

This crisis is not limited to California, although, with their "welcoming programs", Californians pay the most; Unreimbursed medical care in California exceeds $1.4 billion, and that is after the state programs have paid in excess of $8 billion dollars in program reimbursements! In Texas, the estimated cost to treat illegals is $8.5 billion and Arizona is spending approximately $4 billion per year to treat illegals in their emergency rooms. Even increased hospital charges and the accompanying raising of your medical insurance premiums has not been enough to cover the costs of illegal medical care!

What was, ten years ago, considered a "major irritant" has now become a full blown medical and budget crisis. Over 50 percent of ER visits in Florida are illegal immigrants. The trends are exploding as well in Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Nevada and throughout the Midwestern states.

This crisis is directly attributable to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA)implemented by congress and mandated by the U.S. Supreme Court. The law basically stipulates that no hospital may turn away anyone who appears at their Emergency Room doors for treatment, regardless of their ability to pay for the treatment. At the time of its implementation no legislator foresaw that this act would be corrupted and used by illegal aliens to receive medical care for nothing, but that is indeed what has happened. Illegals know the laws that are of benefit to them far better than American citizens, whether it be welfare, wic and food stamps in the name of their American born child, or whether it is using the emergency room for routine colds or the "ER drop and go" methods employed by Los Angeles street gangs when their members get shot up during their nightly street wars.

The latest financial estimates for emergency medical care nation wide exceeds $120 billion dollars (and that does not include state program payments as exists in California and other states). The costs to the taxpayer is enormous and crippling but that is not what should concern Americans the most; it is the explosive increase in the number of hospitals who are choosing to close their Emergency Rooms altogether. This crisis has now threatened the very life of your loved one as the time may come when Emergency Room treatment is simply not available to you.

Sure, if you've ever gone to an Emergency Room in the last ten years you know that more than half of them will be populated by illegals going in to get free routine and emergency care. The wait is long for you, the citizen. However, how much worse will it be when there is no ER period!

Folks, state governments cannot change this! City government cannot change this! But your congress in Washington D.C. can enact legislation that alters the earlier EMTALA legislation and limits participation to American citizens only! Keep in mind, only the Congress can override a Supreme Court decision!

Write em! Write em before you rush to an ER to save a family member's life and there ain't one around!

OBAMA PROMISES NARCOmex: ALL THE FREE OBAMACARE YOUR EXPORTED ILLEGALS CAN USE UP! GRINGOS TO PAY! AND PAY BIG TIME!!!

MEXICANOCCUPATION.blogspot.com

DATE: MARCH 21, LA RAZA “THE RACE” ILLEGALS WILL MARCH ON D.C. DEMANDING WHAT OBAMA AND THE LA RAZA DEMS ARE ALREADY PREPARING… AMNESTY AND THE EVER GREATER EXPANSION OF THE MEXICAN WELFARE SYSTEM!..... ALONG WITH YOUR JOB!


For some, a struggle WHO THINKS ABOUT THE STRUGGLE OF THE AMERICANS?


Some illegal immigrants have used stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for health programs -- a form of medical identity theft increasingly on hospital radars. Many more scramble to pay for their medicine and doctors visits in cash, a challenge in an economy where day-laborer work has dried up.
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http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2011/06/congressional-favorability-ratings.html
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http://justcommonsense-lostinamerica.blogspot.com/2011/03/where-to-go-when-your-local-emergency.html
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For some, a struggle WHO THINKS ABOUT THE STRUGGLE OF THE AMERICANS?


Some illegal immigrants have used stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for health programs -- a form of medical identity theft increasingly on hospital radars. Many more scramble to pay for their medicine and doctors visits in cash, a challenge in an economy where day-laborer work has dried up.




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AN AMERICAN SEES & SPEAKS – Illegals and the MELTDOWN OF OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY – The Ever Expanding Mexican Welfare System

WHY WE ARE IN SUCH A MONEY SQUEEZE

Florida ER doctor's notes
Having spent three weeks in a hospital in Naples, Florida with my wife I couldnt help noticing what was going on in the hospital and I had a lot of time to talk to the doctors and nurses about what I had observed. Below is a commentary from an ER Doctor. Do you think this might be a big reason our health care system and our social security system are so screwed up? Do you think this might be a big reason our taxes keep going up? Who do you think these people are going to vote for?

From a Florida ER doctor:

"I live and work in a state overrun with illegals. They make more money having kids than we earn working full-time. Today I had a 25-year old with 8 kids - thats right 8; all illegal anchor babies and she had the nicest nails, cell phone, hand bag, clothing, etc. She makes about $1,500 monthly for each; you do the math. I used to say, We are the dumbest nation on earth. Now I must say and sadly admit: WE are the dumbest people on earth (that includes ME) for we elected the idiot idealogues who have passed the bills that allow this. Sorry, but we need a revolution. Vote them all out in 2010. "




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From the Los Angeles Times
Q & A
Sorting out claims about healthcare legislation
How would an overhaul really affect senior citizens? Abortion funding? Illegal immigrants?



By Noam N. Levey

August 10, 2009

Reporting from Washington — With lawmakers home for their August recess, a fierce battle has broken out over what precisely is in the mammoth healthcare bills being pushed by congressional Democrats. There has been no shortage of misinformation, much of it advanced by critics of President Obama's overhaul effort who have made sometimes outlandish claims. Here is a look at a few of the most contentious points.

Would illegal immigrants get free healthcare benefits?

Provisions in the House and Senate bills explicitly prohibit people who are "not lawfully present in the United States" from getting federal aid to help them buy health insurance in the new exchanges.

Congressional Democrats have resisted Republican efforts to put tougher documentation requirements on those applying for aid, arguing that that could discourage many poor people from signing up for health insurance.

No matter what happens with the legislation, illegal immigrants would almost certainly still be able to get care in emergency rooms, a major burden in some parts of the country.

THESE LA RAZA ENDORSED POLITICIANS, FEINSTEIN, BOXER, PELOSI are well trained to speak out of both sides of their mouths!
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From the Los Angeles Times
Debate heats up on healthcare for illegal immigrants

PELOSI LIES! SHE WANTS THE ILLEGALS SHE HIRES AT HER NAPA WINERY TO GET FREE MEDICAL. BUT THEY ALREADY DO! THEY JUST SHOW UP AT ANY EMERGENCY ROOM AND GIVE BIRTH. INSTANT 18 YEARS OF WELFARE IS BESTOWED.
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House Speaker Pelosi has said that they would not be covered under overhaul proposals, but activists say medical care should not be denied to the sick, no matter their status.


For some, a struggle

Some illegal immigrants have used stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for health programs -- a form of medical identity theft increasingly on hospital radars. Many more scramble to pay for their medicine and doctors visits in cash, a challenge in an economy where day-laborer work has dried up.


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By Antonio Olivo

August 11, 2009

Reporting from Chicago — Pushing around a cart filled with steamed corn, sliced cucumbers and other street food, Omar Castillo is the embodiment of what has become a third rail in the healthcare debate.

The 19-year-old, who received a kidney transplant last year, is in the U.S. illegally and has no ready access to long-term medical care. So peddling snacks is how he pays for the expensive drugs he needs to stay healthy.

To cover the needs of an estimated 6.8 million uninsured illegal immigrants, some advocates have proposed broadening the healthcare overhaul legislation now before Congress.

But fierce opposition has kept the idea off the table.

Castillo received his transplant and a year of free medicine as part of a hospital study at the University of Illinois Medical Center at Chicago after lobbying by Latino activists and a call from the governor's office. With the study over, his last free prescription is running out.

"We don't know what we'll do when the medicine is gone," said Castillo, holding two nearly empty bottles of the immunosuppressants he takes to ward off an organ rejection.

It is immoral, immigration activists say, for hospitals and doctors -- as well as a nation -- to deny healthcare to the seriously ill, no matter their legal status. But proponents of tougher immigration enforcement and others fighting to contain runaway costs fear that providing such services would encourage more illegal border crossings.

Given spotty healthcare in countries such as China and Mexico, "health insurance alone might be worth people coming here . . . especially if you've got a family that's got a lot of illness in it," said Roy Beck of NumbersUSA, which has pushed for tighter restrictions on medical aid to illegal immigrants.

The issue is so sensitive that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) has made a point of emphasizing that illegal immigrants would not be covered under the current healthcare proposals. And the Congressional Hispanic Caucus issued a statement backing coverage only for "legal, law abiding" immigrants who pay their "fair share" for healthcare.

Under federal law, illegal immigrants are entitled to receive emergency healthcare, although some states offer assistance to cover uninsured children.

(47% OF THE JOBS IN LOS ANGELES ARE HELD BY ILLEGALS USING STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS!)

For some, a struggle

Some illegal immigrants have used stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for health programs -- a form of medical identity theft increasingly on hospital radars. Many more scramble to pay for their medicine and doctors visits in cash, a challenge in an economy where day-laborer work has dried up.

"A lot of people are living with things that are easily treatable [and] that those of us with good health insurance just don't have to live with because we can go get the medication," said Jennifer Tolbert, a policy analyst at the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation.

"If those individuals have communicable diseases," Tolbert said, "there may be a risk [of] spreading that condition."

Castillo's prescriptions for mycophenolate mofetil and tacrolimus can cost as much as $750 a month.

After about six hours of selling snacks in the hot sun on a recent day, he and a cousin took home $20, money that also must go toward food and other needs.

Castillo arrived from Mexico City in 2005.

He worked in construction for about six months, but he began growing weak and had trouble breathing, family members said.

A doctor discovered Castillo was born with a partly developed kidney.

Lucky break

Compared with others who are uninsured and facing chronic illness, Castillo has been lucky.

Last summer, the medical center assumed the cost of his kidney transplant after a group of activists rallied outside the hospital and persuaded then-Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich to make an appeal on Castillo's behalf.

Concerns over the financial burden -- an organ transplant can cost upward of $150,000, not counting follow-up care -- have led other hospitals to deny treatment, said Julie Contreras, an organizer with the League of United Latin American Citizens in Chicago.

"These people, some of them are going to die," Contreras said. "When a hospital denies treatment to any human being . . . this is flat-out immoral."

In Chicago, about a dozen immigrants in need of organ transplants have formed an informal support group.

They sat recently inside one patient's home, comparing kidney dialysis regimens and worries over mounting hospital bills. Within the group, sharing medicine is common.

In cases where pills are running out, so is rationing: one pill a day instead of three.

Asked about returning to Mexico or other home countries to receive more comprehensive care, the group broke into laughter.

"Over there, it's a thousand times worse," said Juan Zavala, a legal immigrant from Mexico and a transplant recipient. "Here, you may get treated poorly by some nurse or doctor. There? They'll give you a kick and tell you you're out of luck."

Sitting nearby was 16-year-old Liliana Cruz. After she was diagnosed with kidney failure, her family came to the U.S. illegally from Mexico in 2005 to seek help in getting a transplant.

But the operation is still beyond their reach. Cruz's age qualifies her to receive a transplant paid for by Illinois' All Kids health subsidy program, and she has a willing donor in an adult sister. But the University of Illinois Medical Center has declined the procedure because the sister's part of the surgery would not be subsidized.

"I just want a normal life," Cruz said during a recent round of kidney dialysis paid for by the state. "Right now, this machine is my life."